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*You all make good points, but I don’t see the problem. It’s a podcast that has graced the stages of Star Wars conventions and has had many members of the creative team join them on their show. Though they are not officially endorsed by Lucasfilm, they are occupying an important space in the fandom and I think they should be allowed to stay. {{unsigned|Brennen Marr}}

 

*You all make good points, but I don’t see the problem. It’s a podcast that has graced the stages of Star Wars conventions and has had many members of the creative team join them on their show. Though they are not officially endorsed by Lucasfilm, they are occupying an important space in the fandom and I think they should be allowed to stay. {{unsigned|Brennen Marr}}

 

*For everyone interested in the wider discussion, please see the ongoing ”'[[Forum:SH:Fan podcast notability]]”’ as well. [[User:OOM 224|<span style=”color:#d1a111″>”’OOM”'</span>]] [[User talk:OOM 224|<span style=”color:#d1a111;font-family:franklin gothic”>224</span>]] {{C|he/him}} 02:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

 

*For everyone interested in the wider discussion, please see the ongoing ”'[[Forum:SH:Fan podcast notability]]”’ as well. [[User:OOM 224|<span style=”color:#d1a111″>”’OOM”'</span>]] [[User talk:OOM 224|<span style=”color:#d1a111;font-family:franklin gothic”>224</span>]] {{C|he/him}} 02:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

 
the notability of fan organisations, such as podcasts, I did recognise that many podcasts featured at various Star Wars Celebration conventions were not documented in [[Star Wars Insider]] or [[StarWars.com]] akin to the existing fan podcasts that had artcles. I checked those articles, including RFR’s which had a revision removing much history pertaining to the podcast in of itself, which is sensible – I kept the article on Tarkin’s Top Shelf primarily limited to official Star Wars Celebration sources (virtually the websites for the various individual conventions) and sources pertaining to their appearances at Star Wars Celebration. I understand that not all fan-information Lucasfilm recognises in some fashion is suitable for Wookieepedia, though fan-podcasts seemingly have a precedent, so I proceeded.

*Not certain if the editor behind the article in question can vote on said matters, however my commentary and I suppose defence would be as follows:

 
Per the notability of fan organisations, such as podcasts, I did recognise that many podcasts featured at various Star Wars Celebration conventions were not documented in [[Star Wars Insider]] or [[StarWars.com]] akin to the existing fan podcasts that had artcles. I checked those articles, including RFR’s which had a revision removing much history pertaining to the podcast in of itself, which is sensible – I kept the article on Tarkin’s Top Shelf primarily limited to official Star Wars Celebration sources (virtually the websites for the various individual conventions) and sources pertaining to their appearances at Star Wars Celebration. I understand that not all fan-information Lucasfilm recognises in some fashion is suitable for Wookieepedia, though fan-podcasts seemingly have a precedent, so I proceeded.
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[[Celebration|Star Wars Celebration]] was essentially created as (and still is) a promotional event sponsored and officialised by Lucasfilm itself. Being managed and administered by them. Unless I’m missing a third party which repudiates that Lucasfilm run Celebration as their promotional event for Star Wars. I also consulted the Star Wars Celebration website which would be reasonably considered official sources, considering other articles cite the various iterations of the website also – the Podcast Stage is a recurring part of Celebration, with applications required in advanced for any slot chosen. It is listed as panel information on the websites. Furthermore, podcasts are also described as being selected from a large field of applicants and if chosen, are welcomed to Celebration to broadcast live – clearly an official capacity.

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[[Celebration|Star Wars Celebration]] was essentially created as (and still is) a promotional event sponsored and officialised by Lucasfilm itself. Being managed and administered by them. Unless I’m missing a third party which repudiates that Lucasfilm run Celebration as their promotional event for Star Wars. I also consulted the Star Wars Celebration website which would be reasonably considered official sources, considering other articles cite the various iterations of the website also – the Podcast Stage is a recurring part of Celebration, with applications required in advanced for any slot chosen. It is listed as panel information on the websites. Furthermore, podcasts are also described as being selected from a large field of applicants and if chosen, are welcomed to Celebration to broadcast live – clearly an official capacity.

Otherwise, PDFs (outlining the podcasts selected to broadcast and panel timetables, which are still accessible for download, wouldn’t list said welcomed podcasts and the official panel scheduling would exclude the pertinent stages and timeslots in which said podcasts hosted from.

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All information is relayed on the Star Wars Celebration website for that convention. Application openings and closures are announced via Star Wars Celebration’s official Twitter account. It is a part of the convention.

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In response to the article being a personal project. I disagree with that framing – it was spurred on by interaction with one of podcast’s hosts, however the outcome is still amounting to the podcast being endorsed recognised at a Lucasfilm-administered event and Wookieepedia therefore documenting that. Similar to podcasts being recognised/endorsed by StarWars.com. Hence why the article was created.

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In response to the article being a personal project. I disagree with that framing – it was spurred on by interaction with one of podcast’s hosts, however the outcome is still amounting to the podcast being endorsed recognised at a Lucasfilm-administered event and Wookieepedia therefore documenting that. Similar to podcasts being recognised/endorsed by StarWars.com. Hence why the article was created.

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The [[Star Wars Technical Commentaries]], which to my knowledge is only the fan project of an author/consultant of DK’s Incredible Cross-Sections and isn’t endorsed or officilised by Lucasfilm, yet it has an article due to relevance for [[Curtis Saxon]]. Unofficial and unauthorised books by a collective of fans may have Wookieepedia articles if a few authors whom wrote licensed material are involved. Unofficial magazines containing completely unlicensed (therefore not endorsed) material may have Wookieepedia articles or are at least referenced on the encyclopedia. Proximity to the subject matter seems to be a criteria on occasion. I do not disagree with the status quo of the above. I merely put matters into perspective in relation to other articles which haven’t been flagged as not being suitable.

As it concerns precedent, perhaps the podcasts could instead have individual paragraphs on the corresponding Celebration conventions they were featured at. Though then, why not fold RebelForceRadio’s and the other two fan podcast articles into StarWars.com’s article under a community paragraph – that would only be consistent. The Star Wars Technical Commentaries, which to my knowledge is only the fan project of an author/consultant of DK’s Incredible Cross-Sections and isn’t endorsed or officilised by Lucasfilm, yet it has an article due to relevance for Saxon.

   

Unofficial and unauthorised books by a collective of fans may have Wookieepedia articles if a few authors whom wrote licensed material are involved.

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Unofficial magazines containing completely unlicensed (therefore not endorsed) material may have Wookieepedia articles or are at least referenced on the encyclopedia. Proximity to the subject matter seems to be a criteria on occasion.

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I do not disagree with the status quo of the above. I merely put matters into perspective in relation to other articles which haven’t been flagged as not being suitable.

 
       

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